Competition is generally regarded as a good thing. When these people stay in the USA, they generally depress wages and send all the money they earn back to their home countries anyway, which does the rest of the US economy no good at all. Really I'm not sure we should even have any sort of H1-B program at all.
"We do not produce enough technically qualified candidates in this country,"
Complete Bullshit.
What they mean is..."We do not produce enough technically qualified candidates in this country that we can pay low wages and hold hostage with H1-B visas"
as someone who has a mix of both H1B and american workers under his care, I can tell you this: if you want high end technical labor, we simply DO NOT have enough qualified candidates here in the united states. We eat up EVERY SINGLE ONE that we can get our hands on that is an american citizen or has permanent resident status that is qualified when we have an opening, because going through the process of hiring high end candidates is time consuming and a drain on your resources. If you think we're paying the people with these visas garbage salaries either, you're wrong. We have rigorous interview processes and after 1 year of employment we work to make sure we keep that talent inside the country with an EB-2 green card application which we pay extra for to fast track. If you think you're qualified for one of these jobs that we have an open req for, please by all means apply.
And I'm sorry, doing tech support at best buy does not qualify you for a 200k/yr data scientist role. Unless you have a masters degree or are amazing enough to not require higher education (or have equiv job experience, that's fine too) then go ahead. I'm sorry but our universities just aren't putting out enough talent at this level that isn't already snatched up. It's a competitive market and even paying well we often have to go outside of the country to find qualified candidates (or to those already in the country who have H1-B visas and are authorized to work).
LET ME BE VERY CLEAR HERE: We are not talking about entry level positions. we are not talking about outsourcing your job to india. we're talking about someone with the background and knowledge to actually do the work that we need to do without spending years training them. This is what your google, facebook, microsoft, and yes, godaddy too, are trying to make sure is getting across to folks.
Out of curiosity, what do you think of replacing H1B with 15k needed skill new greencards / year?
In addition, it would only be open to companies with American based HQ.
Add to this, offering greencards to all American trained PhDs in needed fields ( I.e. will not be offered to say English or art ).
By removing the H1B, you remove the slavery of it. By not allowing non USA companies, then it means that companies that pay taxes here are the ones getting a say.
Someone please mod the above up, he's nailed why people who are forever in danger of losing their visa at the whim of their employer are more attractive to a certain kind of boss than a local employee.
it is funny how many ppl gripe about the fact that their pay went down, while never noticing the fact that these H1Bs are paid a fraction of what we are paid. That is slavery in every sense of the word.
NASA couldn't find enough qualified people either. So they trained them.
Back in the day I worked at a place that had traineeships and scholarships. Not enough engineers in a few years time due to upcoming retirements? No problem - find some bright kids and pay them to go to university. Put them to work on their holidays. That sort of thing used to happen a lot and some very successful companies did very well that way. My current workplace is doing that on a very small scale, but one decent scientist t
as someone who has a mix of both H1B and american workers under his care, I can tell you this: if you want high end technical labor, we simply DO NOT have enough qualified candidates here in the united states.
Nah, you're just a cheap, lazy bastard. You said so yourself:
we're talking about someone with the background and knowledge to actually do the work that we need to do without spending years training them.
Either pay for what you need or train someone to do what you need. Anything else is unearned corp
See, that implies that we don't have lower end engineers learning these skills that we've hired also, which is false, because we most certainly do. But the competition for these candidates is fierce, so we can't get people to do the work right now that needs to be done while we train them. Your ability to not grasp the obvious is astounding.
Your ability to not grasp the obvious is astounding.
That's your problem in a nutshell: I do grasp the obvious. Either pay market rates for what you want, or train employees to do what you want. Anything else is an unearned corporatist sense of entitlement. You know, like I said the first time.
I don't see the problem. (Score:5, Interesting)
Utter Bullshit (Score:5, Insightful)
"We do not produce enough technically qualified candidates in this country,"
Complete Bullshit.
What they mean is..."We do not produce enough technically qualified candidates in this country that we can pay low wages and hold hostage with H1-B visas"
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as someone who has a mix of both H1B and american workers under his care, I can tell you this: if you want high end technical labor, we simply DO NOT have enough qualified candidates here in the united states. We eat up EVERY SINGLE ONE that we can get our hands on that is an american citizen or has permanent resident status that is qualified when we have an opening, because going through the process of hiring high end candidates is time consuming and a drain on your resources. If you think we're paying the people with these visas garbage salaries either, you're wrong. We have rigorous interview processes and after 1 year of employment we work to make sure we keep that talent inside the country with an EB-2 green card application which we pay extra for to fast track. If you think you're qualified for one of these jobs that we have an open req for, please by all means apply.
And I'm sorry, doing tech support at best buy does not qualify you for a 200k/yr data scientist role. Unless you have a masters degree or are amazing enough to not require higher education (or have equiv job experience, that's fine too) then go ahead. I'm sorry but our universities just aren't putting out enough talent at this level that isn't already snatched up. It's a competitive market and even paying well we often have to go outside of the country to find qualified candidates (or to those already in the country who have H1-B visas and are authorized to work).
LET ME BE VERY CLEAR HERE: We are not talking about entry level positions. we are not talking about outsourcing your job to india. we're talking about someone with the background and knowledge to actually do the work that we need to do without spending years training them. This is what your google, facebook, microsoft, and yes, godaddy too, are trying to make sure is getting across to folks.
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Someone please mod the above up, he's nailed why people who are forever in danger of losing their visa at the whim of their employer are more attractive to a certain kind of boss than a local employee.
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So they trained them.
Back in the day I worked at a place that had traineeships and scholarships. Not enough engineers in a few years time due to upcoming retirements? No problem - find some bright kids and pay them to go to university. Put them to work on their holidays. That sort of thing used to happen a lot and some very successful companies did very well that way. My current workplace is doing that on a very small scale, but one decent scientist t
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Nah, you're just a cheap, lazy bastard. You said so yourself:
Either pay for what you need or train someone to do what you need. Anything else is unearned corp
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See, that implies that we don't have lower end engineers learning these skills that we've hired also, which is false, because we most certainly do. But the competition for these candidates is fierce, so we can't get people to do the work right now that needs to be done while we train them. Your ability to not grasp the obvious is astounding.
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That's your problem in a nutshell: I do grasp the obvious. Either pay market rates for what you want, or train employees to do what you want. Anything else is an unearned corporatist sense of entitlement. You know, like I said the first time.