Every company I've worked at has strict policies about external communications by employees. They have a public relations department for that. Shut up and code, or get the hell out.
I have left a job before because I had ethical issues on what was going on. Being a software developer isn't a rare job that you cannot find an other place to work that will pay the bills. And have a company policy good enough where you can sleep at night.
There have been other jobs which I have worked other employees left because they had ethical issues with the job, but they were for things I didn't feel bothered by, so I had stayed.
There are problems in the US Market around employment, such as how the corporate structure in general as forgotten to create a promotion path in the organization and tend to prefer to hire someone from the outside vs promoting someone on the inside (even if their HR documents say otherwise) So we no longer can start in the Mail Room and work up the CEO in 20 years. However this system isn't slave labor. As you can indeed quit your job, and if you are smart, you find a new job first then quit your job.
I have left a job before because I had ethical issues on what was going on. Being a software developer isn't a rare job that you cannot find an other place to work that will pay the bills. And have a company policy good enough where you can sleep at night.
I have tried to choose jobs that at least don't cause me problems sleeping at night, and if I can find ones that are morally better I'll go there. I'm guessing I might have a salary $10k higher right now if I was less picky, but, well, sleeping at night is important. Paying bills is also important.
To an extent, if you can't find at least a way to think neutrally about your employer then at least looking around quietly should be on your to do list. Of course if something about your particular job annoys y
If you don't perform well, you'll be let go and be able to find some other job
Ideally, yes.
In practice, that "find some other job" part doesn't always work out so well, even for people who might otherwise be qualified.
Sure it's a minority of people that it happens to, but when you are faced with the reality of losing your home and every thing that you may have worked for over your entire life, the fear of what will happen if you should lose it is no less of a trap than actual slavery... the only differe
Amazon employs mostly software developer and warehouse workers. Software developer is a very easy job to change employers, especially if you have Amazon on your resume. Warehouse work at Amazon is a dystopian nightmare, though it does pay OK. Most people working there have been there lees than a year IIRC, so "finding some other job" is pretty much normal. It's just not the sort of environment most people can keep working in for long.
the fear of what will happen if you should lose it is no less of a trap than actual slavery
Don't be such an ass. No one will hunt you down and torture you to de
Software developer is a very easy job to change employers
Not in my experience.
especially if you have Amazon on your resume.
If you hated working at Amazon, there's a good chance that you probably wouldn't get a good recommendation from them, and putting it on your resume as your last job without being willing to put them down as a reference probably isn't going to go over too well with that job search.
No one will hunt you down and torture you to death if you leave.
If you hated working at Amazon, there's a good chance that you probably wouldn't get a good recommendation from them
What the fuck?
"We can confirm that they were employed at Amazon between date-1 and date-2" is the only recommendation you're going to get no matter what you did there, how much you or they liked it, and why you left.
The informal network may be a little more forthcoming. "Yeah, it was a shame to lose him. Hard worker, very capable, always acted professionally and a team player."
Did I just describe someone that liked working there or someone that didn't like working there?
if you don't latch onto another similar paying job soon enough
It's almost as though you should be intelligent and search for a new job before quitting the old one.
Oh, sure.... but it's not always easy to do. The time you will have available to look for work is much more limited if you are already working full time, not to mention arranging to be available for interviews.
During my last software developer job search, it took me over 9 months, and that was when I was looking for work *FULL TIME*, and was still able to get rock solid references from my previous employe
And in my experience it's generally easier to get a new job if currently employed in a similar job.
None of those "why were you let go" or "why couldn't you find a job for 6 months" questions.
I have never had a problem being honest about why I am switching jobs, whether it was because I believed I should be paid more, or I didn't like the work environment of my current employer. When I got my current job and they asked me why I left my last employer I told them the truth, that it was because we worked out o
Any developer can make the time to attend an interview.
Sure, if the interviewer is willing to interview outside of regular business hours.
Unless you start taking half-days off to go to interviews nearly every week... which is going to be raising some suspicion and may get you fired before you've actually landed another job.
Where do you live? Sounds like the economy is miserable there.
The only time it's taken me more than a couple months of serious looking to switch jobs was when I was seeking to relocate across the country, which limited to pool of potential employers quite a bit.
If you hated working at Amazon, there's a good chance that you probably wouldn't get a good recommendation from them, and putting it on your resume as your last job without being willing to put them down as a reference probably isn't going to go over too well with that job search.
Is that a thing where you live? Sounds awful. I've never heard of anyone checking references (beyond confirming employment) except for senior roles in startups or consulting work, where the company can fail on a single bad hire. And it's certainl
You can still say whatever the Hell you want, just not in a way that can be seen as representing your company.
It's not like "keep private life and work life separate" is some new thing. Twas ever thus. Say what you like, just don't identify the company you work for. I was certainly critical of Amazon publicly while I was working there, including many times on Slashdot, but I never said that I worked there during that time.
Say what you like, just don't identify the company you work for. I was certainly critical of Amazon publicly while I was working there, including many times on Slashdot, but I never said that I worked there during that time.
There is a vast difference between claiming to speak on *behalf* of Amazon, and expressing an opinion "while identified as an Amazon employee".
Obviously, every company in the world has rules to prevent the former. For example, a forklift driver in an Amazon warehouse is not allowed to call the New York Times and inform them that Amazon has endorsed Bernie Sanders for president.
But the forklift driver *should* be able to post publicly that he thinks work conditions at his warehouse are unsafe, or that he th
Whistleblower protects exposure of illegal activity, not policy differences.
From wikipedia: "Whistleblowers are protected from retaliation for disclosure of information which the employee or applicant reasonably believes evidences a violation of any law, rule, or regulation, or gross mismanagement, a gross waste of funds, an abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety."
So, going back to my two examples: A warehouse worker talking about unsafe work conditions would seem to be protected under whistleblower laws. A warehouse worker talking abou
There is a vast difference between claiming to speak on *behalf* of Amazon, and expressing an opinion "while identified as an Amazon employee".
In your employers eyes, there isn't. Get used to that.
But the forklift driver *should* be able to post publicly that he thinks work conditions at his warehouse are unsafe,
Sure, and his employer should be able to fire him for no reason, or any reason. Freedom! But such complaints are better presented to the appropriate regulatory authorities, where you often have legal protection, and where it might make a difference.
And whistle-blower protection only applies to illegal activity.
Oh, you mean the science behind climate change is now called a gospel so that you can then feel justified in whining about it. I think whiners such as you are really worried the science actually does hold up and that you'll have to change your life style. Time for you to take another course in Ayn Rand, she'll support any selfish impulses you may have and thus you can interpret her as reason to feel good about yourself.
The day that the wealthy stop taking private jets to Davos is the day I believe them. If it was actually a problem, they'd lead by example. But all I hear is that everyone but them needs to change.
But all I hear is that everyone but them needs to change.
Ahh the American way. Blame someone else or bend reality enough so it isn't even a problem in your own tiny warped reality.
But all I hear is that everyone but them needs to change.
Ahh the American way. Blame someone else or bend reality enough so it isn't even a problem in your own tiny warped reality.
Yes, that's exactly what DNS-and-BIND was complaining about with regard to the wealthy taking private jets to Davos. They blame everyone else while being blind to their own behavior.
yep, Must say that has been the policy at the company I work at for at least the last 15 years. Speaking as an Employee publicly about the company, requires prior approval. This is for both positive and negative contributions. We have a PR/Marketing department and processes for approval if you want to discuss publicly.
Dreams are free, but you get soaked on the connect time.
Nothing unusual here (Score:5, Insightful)
Every company I've worked at has strict policies about external communications by employees. They have a public relations department for that.
Shut up and code, or get the hell out.
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Yep, here in the good ole USA, you have the right to remain a slave.
Enjoy it while it still lasts.
You have the right to leave any time (Score:2, Insightful)
you have the right to remain a slave.
In what way is having a job at Amazon slavery?
If you want you can leave any time. Care to tell a real slave they should just leave if they don't like it?
If you don't perform well, you'll be let go and be able to find some other job - again let us contrast an actual slave, who would be beaten or killed.
So why devalue the word slave just because you are upset you cannot pretend to speak on behalf of Amazon just because you work there?
Re:You have the right to leave any time (Score:4, Insightful)
I have left a job before because I had ethical issues on what was going on. Being a software developer isn't a rare job that you cannot find an other place to work that will pay the bills. And have a company policy good enough where you can sleep at night.
There have been other jobs which I have worked other employees left because they had ethical issues with the job, but they were for things I didn't feel bothered by, so I had stayed.
There are problems in the US Market around employment, such as how the corporate structure in general as forgotten to create a promotion path in the organization and tend to prefer to hire someone from the outside vs promoting someone on the inside (even if their HR documents say otherwise) So we no longer can start in the Mail Room and work up the CEO in 20 years. However this system isn't slave labor. As you can indeed quit your job, and if you are smart, you find a new job first then quit your job.
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I have left a job before because I had ethical issues on what was going on. Being a software developer isn't a rare job that you cannot find an other place to work that will pay the bills. And have a company policy good enough where you can sleep at night.
I have tried to choose jobs that at least don't cause me problems sleeping at night, and if I can find ones that are morally better I'll go there. I'm guessing I might have a salary $10k higher right now if I was less picky, but, well, sleeping at night is important. Paying bills is also important.
To an extent, if you can't find at least a way to think neutrally about your employer then at least looking around quietly should be on your to do list. Of course if something about your particular job annoys y
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Ideally, yes.
In practice, that "find some other job" part doesn't always work out so well, even for people who might otherwise be qualified.
Sure it's a minority of people that it happens to, but when you are faced with the reality of losing your home and every thing that you may have worked for over your entire life, the fear of what will happen if you should lose it is no less of a trap than actual slavery... the only differe
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Amazon employs mostly software developer and warehouse workers. Software developer is a very easy job to change employers, especially if you have Amazon on your resume. Warehouse work at Amazon is a dystopian nightmare, though it does pay OK. Most people working there have been there lees than a year IIRC, so "finding some other job" is pretty much normal. It's just not the sort of environment most people can keep working in for long.
the fear of what will happen if you should lose it is no less of a trap than actual slavery
Don't be such an ass. No one will hunt you down and torture you to de
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Not in my experience.
If you hated working at Amazon, there's a good chance that you probably wouldn't get a good recommendation from them, and putting it on your resume as your last job without being willing to put them down as a reference probably isn't going to go over too well with that job search.
You're right... you'll only lose your house
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If you hated working at Amazon, there's a good chance that you probably wouldn't get a good recommendation from them
What the fuck?
"We can confirm that they were employed at Amazon between date-1 and date-2" is the only recommendation you're going to get no matter what you did there, how much you or they liked it, and why you left.
The informal network may be a little more forthcoming. "Yeah, it was a shame to lose him. Hard worker, very capable, always acted professionally and a team player."
Did I just describe someone that liked working there or someone that didn't like working there?
if you don't latch onto another similar paying job soon enough
It's almost as though you should be i
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Oh, sure.... but it's not always easy to do. The time you will have available to look for work is much more limited if you are already working full time, not to mention arranging to be available for interviews.
During my last software developer job search, it took me over 9 months, and that was when I was looking for work *FULL TIME*, and was still able to get rock solid references from my previous employe
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Looking for work full time as a developer: 20 minutes each night checking whether any new jobs have been put online.
Once a week, another 20 minutes applying for one.
Attending interviews: Non-issue. Any developer can make the time to attend an interview.
Your job hunting technique needs some serious streamlining.
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And in my experience it's generally easier to get a new job if currently employed in a similar job.
None of those "why were you let go" or "why couldn't you find a job for 6 months" questions.
I have never had a problem being honest about why I am switching jobs, whether it was because I believed I should be paid more, or I didn't like the work environment of my current employer. When I got my current job and they asked me why I left my last employer I told them the truth, that it was because we worked out o
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Sure, if the interviewer is willing to interview outside of regular business hours.
Unless you start taking half-days off to go to interviews nearly every week... which is going to be raising some suspicion and may get you fired before you've actually landed another job.
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Where do you live? Sounds like the economy is miserable there.
The only time it's taken me more than a couple months of serious looking to switch jobs was when I was seeking to relocate across the country, which limited to pool of potential employers quite a bit.
If you hated working at Amazon, there's a good chance that you probably wouldn't get a good recommendation from them, and putting it on your resume as your last job without being willing to put them down as a reference probably isn't going to go over too well with that job search.
Is that a thing where you live? Sounds awful. I've never heard of anyone checking references (beyond confirming employment) except for senior roles in startups or consulting work, where the company can fail on a single bad hire. And it's certainl
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You can still say whatever the Hell you want, just not in a way that can be seen as representing your company.
It's not like "keep private life and work life separate" is some new thing. Twas ever thus. Say what you like, just don't identify the company you work for. I was certainly critical of Amazon publicly while I was working there, including many times on Slashdot, but I never said that I worked there during that time.
It's basic common sense!
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Say what you like, just don't identify the company you work for. I was certainly critical of Amazon publicly while I was working there, including many times on Slashdot, but I never said that I worked there during that time.
There is a vast difference between claiming to speak on *behalf* of Amazon, and expressing an opinion "while identified as an Amazon employee".
Obviously, every company in the world has rules to prevent the former. For example, a forklift driver in an Amazon warehouse is not allowed to call the New York Times and inform them that Amazon has endorsed Bernie Sanders for president.
But the forklift driver *should* be able to post publicly that he thinks work conditions at his warehouse are unsafe, or that he th
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Whistleblower protects exposure of illegal activity, not policy differences.
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Whistleblower protects exposure of illegal activity, not policy differences.
From wikipedia: "Whistleblowers are protected from retaliation for disclosure of information which the employee or applicant reasonably believes evidences a violation of any law, rule, or regulation, or gross mismanagement, a gross waste of funds, an abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety."
So, going back to my two examples: A warehouse worker talking about unsafe work conditions would seem to be protected under whistleblower laws. A warehouse worker talking abou
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There is a vast difference between claiming to speak on *behalf* of Amazon, and expressing an opinion "while identified as an Amazon employee".
In your employers eyes, there isn't. Get used to that.
But the forklift driver *should* be able to post publicly that he thinks work conditions at his warehouse are unsafe,
Sure, and his employer should be able to fire him for no reason, or any reason. Freedom! But such complaints are better presented to the appropriate regulatory authorities, where you often have legal protection, and where it might make a difference.
And whistle-blower protection only applies to illegal activity.
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Re:Nothing unusual here (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, you mean the science behind climate change is now called a gospel so that you can then feel justified in whining about it. I think whiners such as you are really worried the science actually does hold up and that you'll have to change your life style. Time for you to take another course in Ayn Rand, she'll support any selfish impulses you may have and thus you can interpret her as reason to feel good about yourself.
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That's exactly what Americans say (Score:0)
But all I hear is that everyone but them needs to change.
Ahh the American way. Blame someone else or bend reality enough so it isn't even a problem in your own tiny warped reality.
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But all I hear is that everyone but them needs to change.
Ahh the American way. Blame someone else or bend reality enough so it isn't even a problem in your own tiny warped reality.
But all I hear is that everyone but them needs to change.
Ahh the American way. Blame someone else or bend reality enough so it isn't even a problem in your own tiny warped reality.
Yes, that's exactly what DNS-and-BIND was complaining about with regard to the wealthy taking private jets to Davos. They blame everyone else while being blind to their own behavior.
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Yep. Publicly criticizing your employer gets you fired, even if your employer truly *is* a scuzzbag. Unironic isn't it? In an ironic way.
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