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The OnePlus 9 Pro Has a 120Hz Display, Hasselblad Cameras, and Costs $969 (theverge.com) 56

The OnePlus 9 and OnePlus 9 Pro are OnePlus' newest smartphones powered by Qualcomm's latest Snapdragon 888 chipset. The flagship device is the OnePlus 9 Pro, featuring a 120Hz LPTO curved display, 8GB of RAM, 128GB storage, Hasselblad-branded cameras, and a starting price of $969. If that price is too much to stomach, the OnePlus 9 features slightly lower-end specs and a more affordable $729 starting price. The Verge has already called the OnePlus 9 Pro "the best Android alternative to Samsung." From the report: OnePlus spent much of its announcement talking about the cameras on the new phones, which have been developed in partnership with Hasselblad. OnePlus says the colors have been tuned to look more natural and that the ultrawide sensor on the 9 Pro and 9 is one of the biggest to ever ship on a smartphone. The ultrawide uses a 50-megapixel Sony IMX766 sensor that's 1/1.56" in size with an aperture of f/2.2. Meanwhile, the 9 Pro's main Sony IMX789 sensor has a resolution of 48 megapixels and is 1/1.43" in size. (The regular 9 has a Sony IMX689 sensor, but it has the same resolution of 48 megapixels.) Both have a 2-megapixel monochrome sensor and 16-megapixel selfie camera, but only the 9 Pro has an 8-megapixel telephoto.

As previously announced, the 9 Pro has a 1440p 120Hz curved display that makes use of LPTO technology to adjust its refresh rate between 1 and 120Hz based on the content being displayed on-screen, reducing power consumption by "up to 50 percent." OnePlus also claims it should feel more responsive to use in games that support its Hyper Touch technology. The screen has a maximum brightness of 1300 nits and supports HDR10+. Meanwhile, the OnePlus 9 has a flat rather than curved display. It's not LTPO, it's slightly less bright at 1,100 nits, and it's also lower resolution at 1080p. It's still got a refresh rate of 120Hz, however.
Additionally, both phones support Warp Charge 65T, which OnePlus claims should be able to charge the phones' 4,500mAh batteries to 100 percent in under half an hour. The 9 Pro and 9 can also charge wirelessly at up to 50W and 15W, respectively. Both phones will go on sale on April 2nd, with preorders starting March 26th.
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The OnePlus 9 Pro Has a 120Hz Display, Hasselblad Cameras, and Costs $969

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  • by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @07:00PM (#61190950) Homepage Journal

    Even a 25% discount leaves an eye watering price tag.

    • The Verge has already called the OnePlus 9 Pro "the best Android alternative to Samsung."

      Almost *any* other phone is a better alternative than Samsung.

      • OnePlus probably paid a hefty price for that advertorial.

        BTW this kind of crappy journalism makes me wonder if reviews can be "bought"? It's obvious from this positive spin that money has changed hands here.
  • if 1k is not affordable, then 750 is probably not affordable either.
    • And why would I need a 120Hz display on a phone? I hardly need it on a computer.

      • Makes the various animations/swipes/etc a lot more fluid.

        • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

          I stated NEED. And I wouldn't see a difference there between a 60 or 120Hz.

          • I stated NEED

            You realize this is all completely subjective right? Typing NEED in caps isn't going to make people understand your definition of it.

        • When I found out bumping my video output down 120 Hz -> 60 Hz saved 10 watts of power consumption on my laptop, I put it there and never switched back. If I could have purchased a laptop for $500 cheaper because it didn't do 120 Hz, I would have got another laptop.

          Then again, I've never bought a Hasselblad because it went to outer-space, or a thousand-dollar phone for... any reason whatsoever. I'd rather have the fluidity... liquidity... be in capital, not in my swipes.

          • I had to buy a new phone recently, went for a discounted last-years-flagship ($400) which has a meager 90Hz display. I can see the difference and the battery life is still way more than I need. When it goes on the charger it typically has over 75% charge left, charges in less than an hour, once per day. But I can see the difference if I cut the display frame rate. Not a huge deal but I like it.

  • And probably would still have money left over. Heck, with that money I could get a pro camera body...and still have enough for other stuff...
    • I've never really understood the need to keep putting more and more complex cameras into a phone. My phone has a 68MP camera on it. Is that really needed, on a phone? It's a fantastic point and shoot camera but so was my old phone with a 8MP camera. I think we reached a point long ago where it really no longer matters.

  • Chinese (Score:4, Informative)

    by systemd-anonymousd ( 6652324 ) on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @07:10PM (#61190980)

    It's a Chinese phone, made in Shenzhen by a Chinese company. They were previously caught stealing user data https://gizmodo.com/oneplus-ad... [gizmodo.com]

    • Re:Chinese (Score:4, Informative)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @05:43AM (#61191928) Homepage Journal

      Like all companies they screw up from time to time, but OnePlus has a history of listening to customers and adding customer-friendly features to phones that others refuse to.

      For example you can set your OnePlus phone to charge to 80% and then stop. It will run from charger power after that but not charge the battery, extending its life significantly. Nobody else offers that, although if you root Android it is possible on other devices.

      Their hardware is generally very good, very well made and offers a decent selection of features. Lately they have been a bit less good on that front, removing the headphone jack and SD card slot.

      Until recently their cameras have been mediocre, decent but not exceptional. Seems like they are trying hard to address that now.

      • Sony has had BatteryCare since forever. Does the same thing, but better, as it fully charges to 100% when you disconnect the phone in the morning. The phone can adjust to your schedule automatically, or you can set it manually now too.

        Warp charge kills the battery by charging your battery at more than 2C, so they should do more to decrease battery degradation, not the bare minimum of a charging cap.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Apple has something like that too, but both are inferior to what OnePlus offers because they both insist on going to 100% at times. Also being able to run from the charger most of the day means that the battery isn't discharged slowly for long periods either, further reducing wear on it.

          • Going to 100% is necessary in order to prevent meter drift, so that's a sane default. Not inferior at all.

            • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

              You only need to do that occasionally, not every day. I find that over the course of about a month the battery % display drifts off by about 10%, so I do a full charge once a month.

      • Eh, They've now moved away from stock android in their announcement last summer - they're now off my list. I want a premium phone with the stock android experience - I don't want crappy customizations and shovelware. Sadly, the Pixel 5 seems to be moving away from trying to be premium. I guess it won't be long and I'll have to go back to rooting and installing LineageOS
  • by chispito ( 1870390 ) on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @07:40PM (#61191034)
    This [npr.org] is a Hasselblad.
    • by mykepredko ( 40154 ) on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @08:40PM (#61191186) Homepage

      https://www.hasselblad.com/

      They're medium format cameras with their own lenses. They are 50+ megapixels and have kept up with the times while maintaining their own brand. It sounds like the camera on the phone is Sony parts with some Hasselblad tweaking to instill some kind of brand quality transfer and perceived extra value.

      If anything, putting the name "Hasselblad" on this makes me less likely to consider this phone.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        The deal with Hasselblad is $150m over 3 years, and is primary consulting and access to some proprietary knowledge.

        So far the main thing to come from the partnership is that colour accuracy on the 9 Pro is noticeably better than previous models, and most other phones.

        • Interesting - thank you for the information.
        • Unless you're a professional photographer that uses your phone for your work, why is that at all relevant?

          I mean, it's neat and all, but how is that really worth whatever price premium is being placed on the phone as a result of the super spiffy camera?

          Hasselblad is a well-known and respected brand, but to me the utility of putting a Leica or Hasselblad lens on what is essentially a point-and-shoot camera is akin to using a solid gold RCA cable to connect two bits of stereo equipment.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            Top end phone cameras are really, really good now. There are plenty of "prosumers" who enjoy a good phone camera.

            It used to be that you needed a DSLR to get good results, especially in difficult conditions like low light. Nowadays something like a Pixel 5 will give you the kind of results that 5 years ago would have required a tripod and considerable skill.

            • Ok, fine, I can accept that, but my question is still more or less "who needs this, and why would someone be willing to pay a few hundred dollars more for a camera with it"?

              I get that there may be a niche that this fits, but I cannot imagine that there are that many people out there that will really benefit from it..

              Then again, we're all constantly bombarded with ads and enticements to purchase stuff with capabilities we'll never use, so I guess I'm just being crabby.

              • by rikkards ( 98006 )

                Better question is why does "need" come into the picture. If need was the end all be all we would never have moved out of a cave.

                This whole need thing is just passive agressive self-righteousness

                • Because "Need" is a better word to use than the phrase "should want"?

                  Yes, I can see your point about virtue signaling and all, but it is really just confusing to me why having a professional level camera (or at least one that can produce images that would have been only possible with professional equipment just a few years ago) should be a selling point for a cell phone.

      • https://www.hasselblad.com/

        They're medium format cameras with their own lenses. They are 50+ megapixels and have kept up with the times while maintaining their own brand. It sounds like the camera on the phone is Sony parts with some Hasselblad tweaking to instill some kind of brand quality transfer and perceived extra value.

        Hasselblad have form in this area, they once tried to take a low end Sony APS-C camera, put a wooden handle on it and charge six grand: https://www.t3.com/reviews/has... [t3.com]

      • If they talked to someone at Hasselblad about how to make their photos look less like impressionist oil paintings, then the branding is worth it.

        The camera app on OnePlus has been an issue for a few generations now, with some users preferring to sideload the Google Camera app from a Pixel phone instead.

  • No compromises (Score:5, Interesting)

    by samwichse ( 1056268 ) on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @08:00PM (#61191098)

    Remember when Oneplus (No Compromises R) first came out and they offered flagship specs for a great price? And with stock Cyanogen?

    Now they offer flagship specs for... the same dumb price as anyone else. And by flagship specs I mean no headphone jack, no removable battery, and easily damaged materials that are hard to replace and slippery to hold onto.

    My wife's oneplus one from 2014 is still doing great, plastic back and all. I think we paid $350 for it. Still fully supported by lineageos, too.

  • the ultrawide sensor on the 9 Pro and 9 is one of the biggest to ever ship on a smartphone. The ultrawide uses a 50-megapixel Sony IMX766 sensor that's 1/1.56" in size with an aperture of f/2.2. Meanwhile, the 9 Pro's main Sony IMX789 sensor has a resolution of 48 megapixels and is 1/1.43" in size.

    They are on the big side for smartphone sensors, but I would not call them "one of the biggest", when they are smaller than, e.g. the 1/1.33" ISOCELL that Xiaomi and Samsung have been using for over a year now, and Xiaomi is expected to release the new ISOCELL GN2 variant at 1/1.12" in a couple of months. The Huawei P40 Pro + had a 1/1.28" sensor last year. I can go further back, almost 10 years ago Nokia had a 1/1.2" sensor on the famous 808. I will not mention the 1" that Panasonic came out with a few yea

  • by Fly Swatter ( 30498 ) on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @08:16PM (#61191140) Homepage
    What's the point? isn't that putting the screen right where it is liable to get hit and chipped cracked?

    And don't just explain it away saying to just get a phone case. Screen protectors must be a pain.
  • Of course a lot of the camera hardware will be purely done by Chinese engineers. I assume that where Hasselblad will add most value is their reputed colour science to get the most natural colours out of the sensor.
  • Disclaimer: I don't care if pics of my taint, go to China, because they'll just go to Korea or the US if I buy another brand.
    Furthermore, at least the Chinese need to translate my private data, before finding it useful.

    I have a 25 month old Huawei Mate 20, non pro.
    I can't emphasize how impressive this phone is:

    It came out just as 7nm was new, so it still has a 'new' CPU using low power, high perofrmance.
    I think it's 6 or 8GB
    My display is FLAT
    I have a headphone port.
    I have USB C charging
    I can plug USB C into a fancy dock and get monitor out, ethernet, external keyboard and mouse, then VPN to X and RDP to Y in desktop mode
    Charging is fast
    NFC
    IR port is SHOCKINGLY useful once you've had one, I always thought they were a gimmick, sadly, I'm not going back. Changing TV vol / aircon on / off,
    Cameras are quite decent.
    Phone works at a hotspot (nothing special) and as a Wifi Bridge (a little more rare)
    Fingerprint on back - surprised to say, got used to it, it's nice and fast
    Fingerprint LOCK of individual applications. (I can pass my coworkers my phone, but they can't open my gallery, without a second unlock for example, same whatsapp etc)

    It's now been through the washing machine for 15 solid minutes, clunking on the walls, and it survived.

    It's stupidily good for the money. It's a shame Google and Huawei / Govts had their fight, because I am very impressed. There's /literally/ no phone available, regardless of money, I would buy instead of mine.

  • It's not an Apple/Samsung, but, they think they can demand 1000 dollars? Nope. I've had 3 OnePlus phones. The OnePlus One, the 6T (which I scratched the #%$! screen) and the 7T. Good phones, all under 500 bucks when I bought them. A thousand bucks? You'd be better off spending a bit more and get an apple/samsung. Why, because, if you trade/sell it you'll get more from one of those, than a OnePlus device. OnePlus phones are "better" in the value department, if you wait for them to announce a new model.
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  • by pollarda ( 632730 ) on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @12:41AM (#61191602)
    Hasselblad built their reputation on the fine quality of their lenses and optics. They are, quite literally, legendary. But wait ... Do they make their optics? No, they do not. Hasselblad lenses are and have been made by Fuji. When you shoot with Hasselblad, you are shooting with Fuji lenses. And honestly, Fuji lenses are legendary. Their 110mm prime is perhaps the best portrait lens ever made. And Fuji has decided to enter the market that has been occupied by Hasselblad with their digital medium format GFX 50, GFX 50r and even more seriously with the GFX 100 and GFX 100s. The GFX 100s' sensor is 1.7 times larger than full frame and offers 102MP with an absolutely stunning dynamic range and low light performance. What's more, Fuji is offering the 100s for just over $6,000 which totally beats the pants off of Hasselblad and Phase One. What's more, the firmware of the Fuji cameras isn't quirky like the Hasselblad. So if you really want Hasselblad's legendary performance, skip over the middleman and buy a Fuji.
  • The Chinese seem to be going upmarket by asking similar high prices for their smartphones as Samsung and Apple.

    This isn't going to fly since their brands are generally crappy and people know this. For half the price they sold their phones previously people were willing to forgive the quality differences, but at these prices they're not.
  • by Artem S. Tashkinov ( 764309 ) on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @06:32AM (#61192000) Homepage

    According to multiple reviews:

    • Cameras produce subpar pictures, telephoto is just bad - the only redeeming quality is low-lite pictures
    • Battery life is well below average for its 4500MaH capacity
    • The whole lineup is terribly overpriced - most reviewers admit that Galaxy S21+/Ultra are a much better option
    • Almost everyone nowadays prefers flat displays to the curved ones (welcome image distortions, sun glares, impossible to properly protect)
    • Horrible update policy (bimonthly updates for just three years, only two years of major Android updates)
    • OxygenOS 11 looks and feels worse than all versions prior to it
    • No microSD slot, no FM radio, no certified IP (water) protection, no replaceable battery.

    Once "never settle", now "settle on everything". The brand has completely lost its appeal.

  • First... who is stupid enough to spend 1k on a freaking phone?

    Second... 120Hz are almost useless even on a TV, the difference between 60 and 120 is almost unnoticeable and it certainly can't justify a 1k price tag.

    Third... even much cheaper phones in the 250$ range today have great quality cameras who provide you with sharp pictures, bright colors and do very well even in low light conditions and have more megapixels than you would ever need... so a better camera still can't justify a 1k price tag. If you r

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